TheHof
I agree.this is what I was always told.you want your bankroll to be half a royal. (I play 50c so I have a $1000 bankroll)
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teddys
TheHof -- I was going to PM you about this, but people should know. You should stay away from the VP machines at Saratoga. Those aren't true odds poker machines. They are bingo machines with a predetermined result (Class II gaming devices). There isn't actually any skill involved.'Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe.' -Rig Veda 10.34.4
boymimbo
Teddys make a very valid point. All VLTS in New York State except for the casinos with Tables (Seneca, Turning Stone) are Class II gaming devices. I went to Finger Lakes gaming (Farmington) and found a very 'favorable' DDB Video Poker with a bonus hand. I ended up winning about $20 on it and then realized that the payback for all of the machines are set at 93 percent, no matter what the pay tables show. Theoretically, you could throw away 4 of a kind and get back 4 of a kind.
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FleaStiff
no matter what the pay tables show. Casinos near oklahoma city.
Egads.So where are the various classes rigorously defined?
TheHof
TheHof -- I was going to PM you about this, but people should know. You should stay away from the VP machines at Saratoga. Those aren't true odds poker machines. They are bingo machines with a predetermined result (Class II gaming devices). There isn't actually any skill involved.
Oohhhh, thank you! That puts things in a bit more of a perspective. I had read about the Class II devices .. and it all makes more sense. Given all the talk about VP having a slight larger edge due to skill, I could not understand how at Saratoga no matter what I did I was truly 'pissing' money away. And as much as slots are a bore to me, after loosing $300 on a 'skill' machine in Saratoga, I was able to recoup it bit by bit on freakin Kitty Glitter machines! That's what lead to my confusion about why it was considered the better option in Video Gaming.
VegasVic14
May have played 10 years, but obviously did not put many hours in.
Remember, one only hits a Royal every 40 hours or so and that's if they are playing 800 hands per hour.
It is very difficult to play over 320 hours without hitting a Royal, which would be eight cycles.
Remember, one only hits a Royal every 40 hours or so and that's if they are playing 800 hands per hour.
It is very difficult to play over 320 hours without hitting a Royal, which would be eight cycles.
A few years ago (on a cruise ship, no less), I hit a Royal flush on a progressive on a Tuesday, and another Royal Flush progressive 2 days later and I don't think I had a total of 4 hours of play invested in those sessions, so Royals can come your way anytime. I have hit for 21 Royals in the 7 years I have been playing VP; I play about 100 hours a year and closer to a 600 hands per hour rate. I would say I am ahead of the rate you propose is typical.
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SilentBob420BMFJ
Thank you for all the info! Usually I just go for the tables, but the closest tables casino is about 3 hours away. An all video casino (Saratoga Racino) is just 20 minutes away which is why I started to 'study' on video poker.
The more I go there, the more I see the huge variations in VP they have. I know it might be a matter of opinion but, what variation of VP would be considered the most 'potentially profitable' to play? I'm not expecting a Royal, but looking for a game that has the most 'table like' possibilities - where you have the chance to catch a flow and if you know when to walk you can make a bit of money. I know catching a 'flow' is not really a reality in a Video machine .. but I guess what I'm asking is 'What variation of VP and how do the 'Pros' play!' :)
I agree, the JOB can get a bit tedious .. and it just seems like it's loss loss loss with a couple weak paying pairs thrown in.
Thanks!!
The more I go there, the more I see the huge variations in VP they have. I know it might be a matter of opinion but, what variation of VP would be considered the most 'potentially profitable' to play? I'm not expecting a Royal, but looking for a game that has the most 'table like' possibilities - where you have the chance to catch a flow and if you know when to walk you can make a bit of money. I know catching a 'flow' is not really a reality in a Video machine .. but I guess what I'm asking is 'What variation of VP and how do the 'Pros' play!' :)
I agree, the JOB can get a bit tedious .. and it just seems like it's loss loss loss with a couple weak paying pairs thrown in.
Thanks!!
For what you're looking for, I recommend JOB. It's actually the opposite of how you put it, despite your experience so far. JOB is more like win win loss loss loss win win loss loss loss (not literally), which is the closest to blackjack and such. Other games like the Bonus games will have you losing fast until you hit a big payout. I also highly recommend you get WinPoker and VP Strategy Master. These are must haves, especially the former.
NandB
I'm giving Teddys a +1 here. Stay away from the Class II machines, run, don't walk.Go to a real casino and play a real VP machine. The worst you'll do (E. Coast) is a real 95%, and you should expect 97%.
JMH $0.02
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JIMMYFOCKER
I agree.this is what I was always told.you want your bankroll to be half a royal. (I play 50c so I have a $1000 bankroll)
For one session.
To play the game properly you will need a much bigger bankroll.
At minimum, 4x that of what a Royal pays on a Jacks or better, dueces wild, or double bonus machine.
Remember, try to play on promotional days.
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